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Post by burgandy on Mar 30, 2012 18:15:39 GMT -5
With Ryan Tannehill impressing so much at his recent pro days, there is talk that Quarterbacks could go 1, 2, 3 with the Vikings trading back to 4 and Cleveland moving up. MN would have to make a good bluff as nobody truly believes they would be drafting, but they could make the claim that other teams are interested, which may be true. Is Ryan a franchisee QB in your mind and how could this recent stock rise affect the draft order?
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Post by shamrock84 on Mar 30, 2012 20:00:30 GMT -5
I will be absolutely shocked if that happens but I suppose it could. Last year we saw a lot more QB's go in the first 1/2 of the 1st round than anyone expected.
With so much QB need around the league I wouldn't be surprised to see someone draft him as their franchise guy. Don't see him going that early though. Also don't necessarily see him being a franchise type talent.
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Post by burgandy on Mar 30, 2012 20:51:30 GMT -5
I kind of would as well, but its not out of the question. Miami HAS to do something significant and they are sitting at 8. Cleveland is at 4 and Jacksonville at #5. There is enough there for leverage. I see Miami going after this guy and if they don't think he will be there at 8 then they will move up. You would think they would have to given there miserable off season
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Post by gambler on Mar 30, 2012 21:43:17 GMT -5
How can the 3rd best QB in a draft be better then the best at any other position? I'm not buying it
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Post by burgandy on Mar 31, 2012 7:05:53 GMT -5
How can the 3rd best QB in a draft be better then the best at any other position? I'm not buying it So you don't think Miami is into this guy at all?
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Post by Coin Flip on Mar 31, 2012 7:39:30 GMT -5
How can the 3rd best QB in a draft be better then the best at any other position? I'm not buying it Completely agree..........
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Post by Jaysports on Mar 31, 2012 7:55:43 GMT -5
Last year could have been the start of a trend though, quite a few QB's went in round 1 who shouldn't have been. Ponder, come on....
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Post by shamrock84 on Mar 31, 2012 9:39:00 GMT -5
Watch your mouth...
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Post by burgandy on Mar 31, 2012 10:59:02 GMT -5
Watch your mouth... I will be shocked if Miami doesn't make a play for him. Its OBVIOUSLY a long shot that they would be moving up to #3 to take him, the Vikings want to move back so with the hype I can gaurantee they will be shopping again.
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Post by DynastyDave on Apr 2, 2012 20:10:46 GMT -5
I'd be shocked and quite dismayed if the Browns pick up Tannenhill, even more so if they trade up to #3 to do so. But I believe Colt McCoy deserves another shot at being QB again this year. If he doesn't hold up, then there's plenty of good QB prospects better than Tannehill in next year's draft and if Colt does suck it up this year, the Browns will be in Prime position to snag one.
But I believe that McCoy will get another shot and that the Browns may target another QB later in the draft, ie Osweiler or Cousins, to groom into a NFL Qb.
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Post by burgandy on Apr 2, 2012 21:12:00 GMT -5
I was on Paul Allen's radio show this morning (MN Vikes play by play announcer) and we talked about the possibility of someone trading up for Tannehill. Cleveland won't trade up because they know MN won't take him, but MN could "use" cleveland/jacksonville as leverage. As a Vikings fan, I would be dissapointed to see MN move all the way back to 8 so Miami could snag him at 3. I don't see Tannehill getting past Miami though if all things stay the same.
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Post by DynastyDave on Apr 2, 2012 21:38:04 GMT -5
Cleveland won't trade up because they know MN won't take him. That will not stop a team from trading up to prevent them from trading with someone else. The Browns, in a silly fashion, have done that sort of trade before, but it was not with the current regime. Minnesota can always use the leverage of other teams wanting Tannehill to get Cleveland to trade with them if the Browns are even eyeing him. But I only see one player worth trading with Minnesota for and that is Kalil, but I think he'd be an expensive Right Tackle.
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Post by burgandy on Apr 3, 2012 16:25:43 GMT -5
Cleveland won't trade up because they know MN won't take him. That will not stop a team from trading up to prevent them from trading with someone else. The Browns, in a silly fashion, have done that sort of trade before, but it was not with the current regime. Minnesota can always use the leverage of other teams wanting Tannehill to get Cleveland to trade with them if the Browns are even eyeing him. But I only see one player worth trading with Minnesota for and that is Kalil, but I think he'd be an expensive Right Tackle. Your right for sure. That has been my arguement is that MN now can at least TRY and leverage the pick, but realistically Cleveland has more leverage. MN's not taking a QB, so it comes down to how good of a bluff they can put on the rest of the league, or if they CAN actually get Jacksonville or Miami to commit and leverage it against Clev. IMO it will have to be a REAL deal, b/c I don't see a bluff working for MN in this postion. I could see a bluff working for Cleveland though if they wanted to aquire even more picks.
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Post by houdini on Apr 8, 2012 8:26:45 GMT -5
Here's an interesting write up about Tannehill from Dan Pompei over at the National Football Post....
Ryan Tannehill could end up being an outstanding NFL player. But he is going to be chosen ahead of a lot of players who are much better draft prospects.
About one month ago, Tannehill wasn’t even the consensus third best quarterback in the draft. It was between him, Brandon Weeden and Kirk Cousins.
What happened in the past month? Peyton Manning landed in Denver. The Redskins acquired the second pick in the draft so they can select RGIII. Matt Flynn chose Seattle. Alex Smith stayed put. The Jets traded for Tim Tebow.
And the teams that were in the market for a quarterback but didn’t get one, especially the Dolphins, Browns and Chiefs, might have become more desperate. So Tannehill now looks like a lock to be a top ten pick, and a possibility to be a top five pick.
But his stock spike was manufactured by one thing: quarterback desperation.
“Because the position has such a high value and because there is such a need to have a quarterback who is consistent and stable, people are reaching,” one general manager said.
Said a personnel director: “No one can tell you he’s a sure thing. But people don’t stick to their grades at the quarterback position.”
If people did stick to their grades, Tannehill would be a mid-second round pick, based on the eight personnel men I polled on Tannehill. None of them said they would choose Tannehill in the first round.
There are some intoxicating qualities about Tannehill. He has the right mental makeup to be an NFL quarterback. He has excellent size and athleticism. His pro day was impressive. He can spin it. He can move. “He has first round skills,” the general manager said. A second general manager went so far as to say Tannehill’s traits may be better than Andrew Luck’s.
But it takes more than traits to make a prospect. The GM also said Tannehill does not have Luck’s feel for the game. A personnel director questioned Tannehill’s decision making. Others pointed out that he had repeated chances to lead the Aggies to comeback victories, but wasn’t able to. His record as a starter last season was 7-6. Against Texas, which was arguably his most important game, he threw three picks and completed 41 percent of his passes in a tough loss.
The real issue with Tannehill is it’s difficult to evaluate him because he has a limited body of work. Whereas Luck has 38 college starts, Tannehill has 19 at quarterback. He spent two plus years playing wide receiver. He is relatively inexperienced and probably not ready to start, scouts say, but if he’s chosen in the top ten he likely will be pushed onto the field anyway.
“Can he come in and play at a championship level?” the first general manager said. “When you start talking about a top five pick, that’s what you are trying to say. I don’t see that in him. He is still young in the quarterback position in terms of the reps and starts.”
Really, the best chance for Tannehill to succeed and reach his potential is for him to be chosen where he should be chosen, in the second round. He is a quarterback who needs to be developed. If he goes as high as it appears he will go, he will be faced with unreasonable expectations and pressure to produce too quickly.
Ultimately, Tannehill’s meteoric rise probably will not work out well for the team that drafts him, or for Tannehill.
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Post by Jaysports on Apr 8, 2012 8:44:21 GMT -5
MN/Ponder situation 2.0 all over again.
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