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Post by gambler on Apr 6, 2012 0:46:56 GMT -5
I did drop the offer. Posted MJD is available. I'd really like to move him as he's coming off peak production. With Foster and CJ2k in the fold I can afford to move him. Just want to get some young developing talent back.
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Post by houdini on Apr 6, 2012 3:05:01 GMT -5
what's funny to me is that a bunch of folks on here (myself included) are saying this is the year to trade MJD or the time is now to trade MJD and get some value......
Well, if everybody realizes now is the time to trade MJD, don't you think the owners that are willing to buy him realize that too?? Don't you think they are aware of the accumulating mileage, the overall wear and tear, that he's getting older, that there is a "bone on bone" issue that potentially could rear its ugly head?
The price or value MJD can net in a trade is dropping quickly.....to think that you can get peak value in return at this point is unrealistic - unless you're dealing with a dynasty owner who is solely focused on winning now.
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Post by burgandy on Apr 6, 2012 6:54:22 GMT -5
what's funny to me is that a bunch of folks on here (myself included) are saying this is the year to trade MJD or the time is now to trade MJD and get some value...... Well, if everybody realizes now is the time to trade MJD, don't you think the owners that are willing to buy him realize that too?? Don't you think they are aware of the accumulating mileage, the overall wear and tear, that he's getting older, that there is a "bone on bone" issue that potentially could rear its ugly head? The price or value MJD can net in a trade is dropping quickly.....to think that you can get peak value in return at this point is unrealistic - unless you're dealing with a dynasty owner who is solely focused on winning now. Peak value...NO....really good value...YES. Alot of our recent discussion have been about angles. I think people justify their own decisions, so if MJD put me over the hump I would be telling myself that he is only 28 and I can ride him this year and still get good value for him. If I wanted to move him, I would justify it with the thought process that If I want top dollar for him, when better to move him than after last season, and then there are the owners that just don't think. But like in the recent article by gamblers, so many owners base value SOLEY on last years preformance. Those are the trading partners for MJD.
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Post by gambler on Apr 6, 2012 10:33:07 GMT -5
I'll add that the "milage" thing is way overblown. He started his career as a timeshare back and didn't get many carries. He's only been "the guy" for three years. The "bone on bone" thing is getting too much play too. Last year it was great because I used owner fear to steal him cheaply. So he goes out and gets a rushing title and people still won't let it go.
I'm not sure if this represents the majority of fantasy owners but I might just have to hold the guy due to the irrational fear of other owners. I simply wanted to get younger at the position. Others seem to think he needs to retire now.
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Post by Jaysports on Apr 6, 2012 10:52:29 GMT -5
Agree with Houdini here.
MJD just turned 27 last month, and yes he has overblown mileage talk as Gambler mentioned. The modern technology advancements we have in sports medicine these days are top notch. Micro fractures for cartilage issues have been pretty successful too, just ask Colston and Amari Stoudamire...but, you can't fight perception, you can only give your opinion and adjust to the group-think in this scenario to avoid a bigger loss later. So, in this case the writing is on the wall with MJD as far as perception so you better take the best possible offer soon before next off-season otherwise you'll be getting even less...
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Post by gambler on Apr 6, 2012 11:01:28 GMT -5
Actually, I think it's more of a case of holding on to him. If people really have that perception he becomes more valuable for the 3-4 years of great production them what you get in return. His value to me is obviously higher then the "group think" on this one
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Post by Jaysports on Apr 6, 2012 11:48:57 GMT -5
Actually, I think it's more of a case of holding on to him. If people really have that perception he becomes more valuable for the 3-4 years of great production them what you get in return. His value to me is obviously higher then the "group think" on this one I agree but IMO you can still get enough to make it worthwhile. I'm not a fan of rebuilding though, I prefer to reload.
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Post by gambler on Apr 6, 2012 12:11:52 GMT -5
Actually, I think it's more of a case of holding on to him. If people really have that perception he becomes more valuable for the 3-4 years of great production them what you get in return. His value to me is obviously higher then the "group think" on this one I agree but IMO you can still get enough to make it worthwhile. I'm not a fan of rebuilding though, I prefer to reload. Yeah, know I linked my lineup earlier on this thread. I could honestly lose MJD for nothing and still be the easy odds on favorite in that league. It's simply a matter of using him up these next years or finding a young guy I like to replace him (at any position). I'm just amazed people are so negative of him coming off a rushing title. He's going in the 1st round of dynasty drafts yet folk seem to be calling him dead...odd phenomenon.
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Post by farfromhome on Apr 8, 2012 11:37:02 GMT -5
I agree with Jaysports on the depreciating value of MJD and VJax. Those two are both nearing the point of no return when it comes to trade value. If you want to receive any type of value back for either one of those guys....this is the year to do it. Personally, I would make that deal. well every forum has the guys they collectively love or hate...day one posting for me quickly realize mjd is garbage in here...hard to even read people saying to keep this deal without laughing a little
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Post by Jaysports on Apr 8, 2012 11:50:20 GMT -5
I agree with Jaysports on the depreciating value of MJD and VJax. Those two are both nearing the point of no return when it comes to trade value. If you want to receive any type of value back for either one of those guys....this is the year to do it. Personally, I would make that deal. well every forum has the guys they collectively love or hate...day one posting for me quickly realize mjd is garbage in here...hard to even read people saying to keep this deal without laughing a little We don't think he's garbage....but, I personally also don't want my big stock investment to continue to decline until the point that it's worth valued like Michael Turner right now. The market dictates MJD's value just like the stock market no matter what I think or say, so if I can still get $.90 on the dollar for him now as opposed to $.75 next off-season and $.50 the following and then $.25 the following then it's worth it to me. It still has to be the right deal of course, and yes the Indy RB's nor Wells is not even close. I'm never going to ride a stud until he retires on my bench like LT2, never ever ever. I'm consantly reloading and staying ahead of the curve that the market dictates, trading in the slightly older model for a newer but proven version. Example, I moved Fitz for Julio and a 2nd a few months ago. Julio is much younger, top 5 upside and has proven it on the field. Those are the situations I look for. If I was not winning 40+% of my leagues each year then I would definitely re-evaluate moving studs like this....I only say this to point out that there are a number of different ways to skin a cat.
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Post by shamrock84 on Apr 8, 2012 13:09:18 GMT -5
I agree with Jaysports on the depreciating value of MJD and VJax. Those two are both nearing the point of no return when it comes to trade value. If you want to receive any type of value back for either one of those guys....this is the year to do it. Personally, I would make that deal. well every forum has the guys they collectively love or hate...day one posting for me quickly realize mjd is garbage in here...hard to even read people saying to keep this deal without laughing a little MJD is ranked 4, 5, and 6 in our RB rankings so he's definitely not valued as garbage here. I guess I can't speak to the overall forum consensus you're perceiving. I personally agree with you about this trade though. Not one that I'd consider making.
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