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Post by JScott on Mar 26, 2012 8:27:35 GMT -5
Standard ppr, deep roster dynasty league
I'm being offered Wells + Ry.Williams + 1.05 for MJD. I think he's worth a little more, but what say you?
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Post by Jaysports on Mar 26, 2012 8:56:54 GMT -5
I own MJD in a few leagues and I'm definitely not getting the type of value I would expect to see. We touched on it in another thread about aging RB's.
It's not horrible, couple of questions though. Are you in a position to compete this year? Do you need help at RB, WR or QB? Richardson, Blackmon, Luck, RG3 and one more RB out of Miller, Wilson and Lamar "should" have a dream landing spot. Floyd or Wright could be considered if you need help at WR. It all comes back to competing for me, no way I consider if I have a shot at a title.
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Post by JScott on Mar 26, 2012 9:13:51 GMT -5
I own MJD in a few leagues and I'm definitely not getting the type of value I would expect to see. We touched on it in another thread about aging RB's. It's not horrible, couple of questions though. Are you in a position to compete this year? Do you need help at RB, WR or QB? Richardson, Blackmon, Luck, RG3 and one more RB out of Miller, Wilson and Lamar "should" have a dream landing spot. Floyd or Wright could be considered if you need help at WR. It all comes back to competing for me, no way I consider if I have a shot at a title. Good point Jay. I was going to add it in my original post but figured I'd get my question out then follow up with more detail as needed. I've been sitting in the middle of the pack the last 3 seasons with the same shot to make the playoffs as a low seed. MJD is my only true stud. I'm good at QB (Roeth), good at WR (Roddy, Colston, Crab & Maclin) and very good at TE (Gronk, Gonzo, Petti). Our Flex can be RB/WR/TE. The rest of my RBs are: Tate, Greene, BJGE, Ridley, Addai Minimum start is 2 RBs, so it's been MJD + Tate usually. I'm not desperate to trade MJD but exploring options and if I get the value I like I'd probably pull the trigger, but the counters/offers I was getting were consistently much lower than I expected (even factoring in the low-balls) so thought I'd bounce it off guys here.
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Post by dynastyguru on Mar 26, 2012 11:33:20 GMT -5
I would hold unless you get what you want right now. If I were you I would start looking at BJGE a alittle closer. It looks like he could be a 3-down back in Cincy and you may end up with a really solid RB2 there. Then you are set with Tate as your emergency guy. Then I try and package Gonzon and a WR to upgrade at WR. Before FA, I loved Crabs, but now I'm not so sure. People are still high on him, so he might be a place to start, but White + Gonzo + a pick for maybe Julio Jones or a real stud young WR or something.
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Post by Jaysports on Mar 26, 2012 13:00:44 GMT -5
Hmm, for now I'd keep shopping him, but I do believe the 1.5 will fetch a solid RB due to all the teams needing to inject some youth at the position. Clev, Cinci (not buying BJGE), TB (Blount is Jacobs 2.0), Denver, Indy, ATL (never know), Pitt.
Who does this owner have for WR? Maybe you can get a slight upgrade for adding Crabtree to this deal? Can you start 4 receivers???
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Post by gambler on Mar 26, 2012 16:09:44 GMT -5
I'm happy with the 1.05 part of it but the Wells/Williams part just makes me a little nauseous.
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Post by JScott on Mar 26, 2012 21:01:18 GMT -5
I would hold unless you get what you want right now. If I were you I would start looking at BJGE a alittle closer. It looks like he could be a 3-down back in Cincy and you may end up with a really solid RB2 there. Then you are set with Tate as your emergency guy. Then I try and package Gonzon and a WR to upgrade at WR. Before FA, I loved Crabs, but now I'm not so sure. People are still high on him, so he might be a place to start, but White + Gonzo + a pick for maybe Julio Jones or a real stud young WR or something. Thanks guru. I saw that quote about BJGE too but I'm chaulking that up to coach-speak. I had offered a package including Petti but hadn't touch on including a WR. Might be something there, thanks.
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Post by JScott on Mar 26, 2012 21:15:06 GMT -5
Hmm, for now I'd keep shopping him, but I do believe the 1.5 will fetch a solid RB due to all the teams needing to inject some youth at the position. Clev, Cinci (not buying BJGE), TB (Blount is Jacobs 2.0), Denver, Indy, ATL (never know), Pitt. Who does this owner have for WR? Maybe you can get a slight upgrade for adding Crabtree to this deal? Can you start 4 receivers??? Nicks, Britt, Rice, Sanders. He paid a lot last season for Nicks and Britt and I know he won't move them. And I want no part of Rice and all his surgeries. So WR is probably a dead end with him but thanks.
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Post by JScott on Mar 26, 2012 21:21:19 GMT -5
I'm happy with the 1.05 part of it but the Wells/Williams part just makes me a little nauseous. I was hoping to buy low on them. Wells showed flashes of huge potential but there were more subpar games than big ones. But the other owner seems to only remember the big games.... lol. He also countered with JStew in a package. I'm thinking about this as a backup plan. Sort of set him up like I'm hugely disappointed in not getting what I want in Wells/Williams then "settle" for the JStew package. If I do it right I should get a better package along with JStew. As for Stewart I think he's absolutely going to be traded this off-season. He's an UFA after this year and CAR has to get something for him. With Tolbert signed longer term now it only makes sense to deal Stewart. The smoke CAR was blowing after the Tolbert signing about Stewart not being available was complete bs to try and keep some leverage.
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Post by Jaysports on Mar 26, 2012 23:56:20 GMT -5
I'm happy with the 1.05 part of it but the Wells/Williams part just makes me a little nauseous. I was hoping to buy low on them. Wells showed flashes of huge potential but there were more subpar games than big ones. But the other owner seems to only remember the big games.... lol. He also countered with JStew in a package. I'm thinking about this as a backup plan. Sort of set him up like I'm hugely disappointed in not getting what I want in Wells/Williams then "settle" for the JStew package. If I do it right I should get a better package along with JStew. As for Stewart I think he's absolutely going to be traded this off-season. He's an UFA after this year and CAR has to get something for him. With Tolbert signed longer term now it only makes sense to deal Stewart. The smoke CAR was blowing after the Tolbert signing about Stewart not being available was complete bs to try and keep some leverage. Stewy would be plan A for me while Wells/Williams would be plan C. Stewart is my #8 ranked while Wells is #19.
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Post by shamrock84 on Mar 27, 2012 0:04:01 GMT -5
It's a decent offer. I really like Beanie as evidenced by my rankings. You get Williams as insurance and I agree with Jay that 1.05 should fetch a decent RB. I think I'd try for more but it isn't terribly far off. You really do need to get max value out of a top RB like MJD though. Otherwise he's more valuable in your starting lineup.
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Post by Scorp on Mar 27, 2012 17:45:21 GMT -5
It's a decent offer. I really like Beanie as evidenced by my rankings. You get Williams as insurance and I agree with Jay that 1.05 should fetch a decent RB. I think I'd try for more but it isn't terribly far off. You really do need to get max value out of a top RB like MJD though. Otherwise he's more valuable in your starting lineup. I have to agree with this 100%. My only personal feelings about this issue are that how long can MJD carry the team? Sure they brought in Robinson, but Blaine Gabbert = Jimmy Clausen. The Jags are so far out of contention, they'll be rebuilding like the Colts and the Vikes. This is a fair offer, but your time on selling MJD for some value is running out. I'd find it hard to decline this offer, but I'd want a little more than the talent coming out of this year's draft. After thinking about it for a little bit, I'd almost consider waiting for a method of acquiring Matt Forte for him. I'm fairly certain Brandon Marshall's reunion with Jay Cutler in Chicago will hinder Forte's affect, and you might be able to get a pick included with the trade. The type of production you're trying to replace out of selling MJD isn't going to be easy to re-attain. I'm really excited about Trent Richardson, but would it be worth it to sell MJD and your 2013 first for him? I think he'll be worth every penny, but I'm just not sure if you can get that 1.1 for MJD alone would do it. Might be worth looking into, depending on how strongly you feel about a muscle bound runningback that could end up like Mikel Leshoure.
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Post by Jaysports on Mar 27, 2012 19:56:33 GMT -5
It's a decent offer. I really like Beanie as evidenced by my rankings. You get Williams as insurance and I agree with Jay that 1.05 should fetch a decent RB. I think I'd try for more but it isn't terribly far off. You really do need to get max value out of a top RB like MJD though. Otherwise he's more valuable in your starting lineup. I have to agree with this 100%. My only personal feelings about this issue are that how long can MJD carry the team? Sure they brought in Robinson, but Blaine Gabbert = Jimmy Clausen. The Jags are so far out of contention, they'll be rebuilding like the Colts and the Vikes. This is a fair offer, but your time on selling MJD for some value is running out. I'd find it hard to decline this offer, but I'd want a little more than the talent coming out of this year's draft. After thinking about it for a little bit, I'd almost consider waiting for a method of acquiring Matt Forte for him. I'm fairly certain Brandon Marshall's reunion with Jay Cutler in Chicago will hinder Forte's affect, and you might be able to get a pick included with the trade. The type of production you're trying to replace out of selling MJD isn't going to be easy to re-attain. I'm really excited about Trent Richardson, but would it be worth it to sell MJD and your 2013 first for him? I think he'll be worth every penny, but I'm just not sure if you can get that 1.1 for MJD alone would do it. Might be worth looking into, depending on how strongly you feel about a muscle bound runningback that could end up like Mikel Leshoure. Solid stuff there Scorp, glad to see you in the forums!
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Post by JScott on Mar 28, 2012 7:25:47 GMT -5
Good advice from everyone :thumbsup:
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Post by JScott on Mar 28, 2012 7:58:05 GMT -5
Just got this counter:
J Stewart + K Kolb + J Gresham + 3.05 for MJD + Pettigrew
The other owner likes Petti over Gresh, I think they're close enough to be a wash long term.
Behind Roeth I have Gabbert, TJax & Mallet so I could you a starting NFL QB. He has Freeman on the blocks as well though who I'd much rather have.
He already traded his 2.05, so the 3.05 is nice but doesn't do a lot.
I think I may counter adding my 2.07 if he ups to 1.05 and Freeman. Doubt he'll do it but I'd be happy with that deal.
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